Comments on: My gibberish was first, no mine was http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/ | Investor Relations Web Best Practices, Trends and News Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:14:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Hitachi XBRL » Blog Archive » A Roundup of Recent XBRL Developments http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-533 Hitachi XBRL » Blog Archive » A Roundup of Recent XBRL Developments Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:30:17 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-533 [...] Dominic Jones at IR Web Report has an amusing post on the efforts of Microsoft and EDGAR Online to claim bragging rights for being first to file its [...] [...] Dominic Jones at IR Web Report has an amusing post on the efforts of Microsoft and EDGAR Online to claim bragging rights for being first to file its [...]

]]> By: Editor http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-532 Editor Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:09:54 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-532 Hi Walter, Thanks for the link. That's a useful and interesting page. Hi Walter,

Thanks for the link. That’s a useful and interesting page.

]]> By: Walter Hamscher http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-531 Walter Hamscher Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:38:56 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-531 More than one "way for real people to use these new XBRL filings" can be found at http://xbrl.us/USGAAPreview/Samples/Pages/microsoft.aspx (<a href="http://xbrl.us/USGAAPreview/Samples/Pages/microsoft.aspx" rel="nofollow">Microsoft 10Q</a>) More than one “way for real people to use these new XBRL filings” can be found at

http://xbrl.us/USGAAPreview/Samples/Pages/microsoft.aspx

(Microsoft 10Q)

]]> By: Dominic Jones http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-530 Dominic Jones Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:03:40 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-530 Hi Thomas, And they also have been providing XBRL with their earnings releases for years. As an XBRL consortium member, it makes sense they'd do this, just like it makes sense for them to use their own .docx format, etc. But, yes, until XBRL is invisible to the end user/investor it's not that useful. I want something that makes my life easier. I don't want to have to learn a new software program or even use Excel, or, worse yet, a PDF. I don't want to download a free viewer. And I don't want to have to figure out what this means: [CommonStockValueIncludingAdditionalPaidInCapitalIssuedShareBasedCompensation] The above is from Microsoft's latest filing as rendered in the <a href="http://216.241.101.197/viewer" rel="nofollow">SEC's XBRL viewer.</a> I'm sure this will all be fixed in time, but it doesn't make a good impression. Hi Thomas,

And they also have been providing XBRL with their earnings releases for years. As an XBRL consortium member, it makes sense they’d do this, just like it makes sense for them to use their own .docx format, etc.

But, yes, until XBRL is invisible to the end user/investor it’s not that useful. I want something that makes my life easier. I don’t want to have to learn a new software program or even use Excel, or, worse yet, a PDF. I don’t want to download a free viewer. And I don’t want to have to figure out what this means:

[CommonStockValueIncludingAdditionalPaidInCapitalIssuedShareBasedCompensation]

The above is from Microsoft’s latest filing as rendered in the SEC’s XBRL viewer.

I’m sure this will all be fixed in time, but it doesn’t make a good impression.

]]> By: Thomas Rosenmayr http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-529 Thomas Rosenmayr Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:15:52 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-529 One interesting thing to add: Two years ago MSFT already offered an XBRL version of their annual report 2005 at their HTML reports download page http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar05/flashversion/10k_dl_dow.html It was the first company I saw offering the report information in this format. [I don't know if they where first with that, at least the first big cap stock listed company I guess] But why did they stop offering that for the next two online reports releases? 2006 http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar06/staticversion/10k_dl_dow.html 2007 http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar07/staticversion/10k_dl_dow.html I think it is a whole lot of work for not much of use, so far. The proof of a pudding is the eating! One interesting thing to add:

Two years ago MSFT already offered an XBRL version of their annual report 2005 at their HTML reports download page
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar05/flashversion/10k_dl_dow.html

It was the first company I saw offering the report information in this format. [I don't know if they where first with that, at least the first big cap stock listed company I guess]

But why did they stop offering that for the next two online reports releases?
2006
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar06/staticversion/10k_dl_dow.html
2007
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar07/staticversion/10k_dl_dow.html

I think it is a whole lot of work for not much of use, so far. The proof of a pudding is the eating!

]]> By: Dominic Jones http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-527 Dominic Jones Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:39:11 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-527 Hi Philip, I got the subtle nuance of "First Filings Solutions Provider" only after the second release. As for I-Metrix rendering the new XBRL in human-friendly format, that's nice but I was thinking of something like the SEC's free viewer (or a plug-in for Firefox!) which doesn't quite handle the new filings properly, at least not Microsoft's. Thanks for visiting and explaining the background. Hi Philip,

I got the subtle nuance of “First Filings Solutions Provider” only after the second release. As for I-Metrix rendering the new XBRL in human-friendly format, that’s nice but I was thinking of something like the SEC’s free viewer (or a plug-in for Firefox!) which doesn’t quite handle the new filings properly, at least not Microsoft’s.

Thanks for visiting and explaining the background.

]]> By: Philip Moyer http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-528 Philip Moyer Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:07:41 +0000 http://www.irwebreport.com/daily/2007/12/10/my-gibberish-was-first-no-mine-was/#comment-528 I am the CEO at EDGAR Online and could not be more appreciative that you were willing to take up our David vs Goliath cause.....but alas you are right. Msft did file a little bit before us. The difference in press releases was a nuance but an important one - We not only file for ourselves, we file for other companies - using our automated process and the largest (and we believe only) historical database in the world of XBRL data for all 12,000 US public companies (going back 10 years). So we proudly were the 2nd company to file ....but the first company that actually has solution for filing for other companies- -to file. ps we have turned all 10 years of Microsoft's filings into XBRL already and we would be happy to do Microsoft's filing for them in the future :-) One other note - -we provide a nice easy to read version of all of this XBRL in our I-Metrix tools Thanks very much again for noticing EDGR!! Philip I am the CEO at EDGAR Online and could not be more appreciative that you were willing to take up our David vs Goliath cause…..but alas you are right. Msft did file a little bit before us. The difference in press releases was a nuance but an important one – We not only file for ourselves, we file for other companies – using our automated process and the largest (and we believe only) historical database in the world of XBRL data for all 12,000 US public companies (going back 10 years). So we proudly were the 2nd company to file ….but the first company that actually has solution for filing for other companies- -to file. ps we have turned all 10 years of Microsoft’s filings into XBRL already and we would be happy to do Microsoft’s filing for them in the future :-)

One other note – -we provide a nice easy to read version of all of this XBRL in our I-Metrix tools

Thanks very much again for noticing EDGR!!
Philip

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